The new carbon tax be like.

"The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock" (jukesjukesjukes) 01/02/2017 at 12:40 • Filed to: None

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facw > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 12:46

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Makes perfect sense to make people be responsible for the costs of the pollution they cause. Much better approach than heavy handed fuel economy limits.

EL_ULY > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 12:48

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lol Mexico fuel crisis

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > facw 01/02/2017 at 12:48

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That logic assumes cars that require premium fuel cause more pollution.

facw > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 01/02/2017 at 12:52

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How so? Most carbon taxes are applied based on expected pollution, but I don’t think its normally broken out by grade. So as a percentage, it would actually be lower on premium.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > facw 01/02/2017 at 12:53

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Oh, taxes. I don’t into reading. Dammit.

DasWauto > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 01/02/2017 at 12:54

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No, it doesn’t. It’s just more expensive to begin with. I don’t believe higher octane fuels are taxed disproportionally more with the new taxes here this year.

CB > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 13:01

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Four cents a litre increase. Nothing too unbearable.

EL_ULY > facw 01/02/2017 at 13:12

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bye bye manufacturer’s progress in engine development

Regular people, you figure it out and pay for it in the mean time lol :]

LOREM IPSUM > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 13:18

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Deep level of resentment.

Regular gas was 1.15 a liter last week. Then suddenly 1.30 a liter. 24 hours later it was 1.35 a liter.

Grumble grumble grumble

LOREM IPSUM > facw 01/02/2017 at 13:25

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How does overcharging people counter the damage done to the environment by the burning of fossil fuels?

People still need to get to work, the store, etc. Chances are they won’t abandon their cars in favor of public transit because the government decides to rip them off another $20 per fillup. They’ll just use the fuel they need and have less money available to survive.

...but at least those poor politicians won’t run out of money to burn quite so quickly. Gotta supply the junkies with free naloxone and ambulance service somehow...

LOREM IPSUM > CB 01/02/2017 at 13:27

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4 cents now, on top of the 7 before, plus another few cents a year from now... plus plus plus.

That’s how they get ya.

facw > LOREM IPSUM 01/02/2017 at 13:55

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OK, multiple things to unpack here.

First burning gas does damage to the environment, which has costs associated with it. The exact estimate varies tremendously, but it definitely does real damage. To say it is overcharging people to have any tax is thus silly. You can argue about how much the tax should be, but the simple fact is that if you don’t charge people you are absolutely letting them free-ride and push the costs of their pollution off on society in general.

Second, yeah, fuel demand is fairly inelastic, at least in the short term. Its effected by vehicle choice, home/work location, etc.. This is not an argument against having a tax, it’s an argument for phasing in any such tax gradually. Gas prices fluctuate a lot, and there is an impact in people’s behavior. People do drive less when prices are high, and purchase more fuel efficient vehicles. The shift in costs does lead to reduced pollution.

Thirdly, there is no reason carbon taxes can’t be designed in a revenue neutral way. If for example you just push all money collected by the scheme out evenly per capita, that rewards people who are efficient and makes it more expensive for people who aren’t. It’s still true that a carbon tax, like other sales taxes is going to be inherently regressive, but you can tweak things to account for that.

Lastly, I happen to think health care is a basic human right, and something it make sense for the government to provide (addiction is a mental health issue). Additionally, it seems like it makes a lot more sense to treat it, than to let it continue out of callousness or a desire to punish people for their weakness. Because of this, I think we should have universal healthcare. That however has nothing to do with carbon taxes, aside from the fact it is curious that you are so keen to be able to damage other people’s health freely with your emission, but so aghast at other people passing their health costs on society.      

CB > LOREM IPSUM 01/02/2017 at 13:57

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Things increase in price. Such is life. Cars used to cost $1000, now they cost twenty times more. Taxes are needed for infrastructure, green projects, whatever, so I’m alright with them.

LOREM IPSUM > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 13:59

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Just did a little quick math...

In 2016 my combined fuel, toll bridge, and basic liability insurance cost me upwards of $8200.

Not including oil changes or other vehicle maintenance.

FML

Fistacufs > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 14:00

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Dear Liberal Government,

We are having a hard enough time dealing with the upside down economy you and your compatriots have gotten us into and would kindly ask you to F#$% OFF.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > LOREM IPSUM 01/02/2017 at 14:07

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For my fuel bill per month. It’s $5 more per tank, before I avg’d $45/tank. I fill up 5-6 times a month. That be $30 more/month. Over a year that’s $360. That’s just over 7 tanks of fuel with paying $5 more per tank.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > Fistacufs 01/02/2017 at 14:10

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We’ll just vote in the Conservative next and still complain of terrible they are, then vote in the liberal after that. It’s a never ending cycle.

LOREM IPSUM > CB 01/02/2017 at 14:11

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If only our incomes increased as exponentially as the cost of living.

Folks in my trade are making the same rate they were a decade ago. Meanwhile cost of living has increased at an absurd rate with no end in sight...

...and I still don’t quite understand how handing the government money makes the air any cleaner.

I Will Always Be The Honey Badger > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 14:16

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I’m just going to pedal my strandbeest to work from now on.

LOREM IPSUM > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 14:20

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Unfortunately for me, my job requires me to travel to different locations pretty much every day. On average I burn through roughly $20 per day in fuel, so even a marginal increase per liter has an impact on finances.

Just knowing that I’m paying roughly 1/3 more for gas than I would be before taxes really grinds my gears... even moreso when I see little to no improvement in infrastructure.

duurtlang > LOREM IPSUM 01/02/2017 at 14:47

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That’s a huge increase in a short period of time. At 1.35 CAN (€0.96) still lower than what I’ve seen in many years though.

LOREM IPSUM > duurtlang 01/02/2017 at 14:50

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I really miss the days of .25 cents per liter.

Kanaric > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/02/2017 at 15:36

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I’m glad I live in Nevada where taxes are considered a kind of communism, lmao. We only tax our whores and gambling here.

CB > LOREM IPSUM 01/02/2017 at 16:53

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Incomes going up would be nice. Minimum wage increasing once a year is pretty great so far, though.

Giving the government money allows for them to afford all those rebates on green technology and products (solar panels, wind farms, home installation, cars, et cetera), which should allow for a reduction in polluting resources. At least, that’s the idea.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > Fistacufs 01/03/2017 at 08:16

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Michigan’s conservative gov did this to us.....after we voted it down. But our roads suck, so hopefully the money will actually go towards those. Also, the raised our registration fees.

For Sweden > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 01/03/2017 at 18:22

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um excuse me it’s 2015